67 442 cowl tag help
#2
Hello Duck
I'm not real up on the 1967 vintage, but if you don't find anything on the FAQ pages of this site try checking out: http://www.oldsmobility.com/ That site is specific to the 1967 Cutlass/442. John
I'm not real up on the 1967 vintage, but if you don't find anything on the FAQ pages of this site try checking out: http://www.oldsmobility.com/ That site is specific to the 1967 Cutlass/442. John
#3
67 442 Cowl Tag
There is only one way to tell if its a true 442 because 442 was not its own model in 67 if you look at the cowl tag if the first 3 numbers are 338 that stands for a Cutlass V-8 ( the 8 in the number stands for 8 cylinder ) ( there were only 2 V-8"s made that year for the Cutlass 350 & 400 ) the 400 was the 442 engine..the next thing is check the engine right in front of the thermostat housing there will be a number if the number starts with 39 and ends with E that is a 400 engine after that you can check the numbers to the body to see if its a matching number car ...if the first 3 numbers are
333 / 334 / 335 or 336 then your car cannot be a 442
333 / 334 / 335 or 336 then your car cannot be a 442
#4
I think if you check the only 2 V8's available in 67 for the Cutlass were the 330 and 400. The Cutlass was not optioned with 350 until 68. I could be wrong but seems I read this somewhere before.
Actually, now that I think about a friend of mine does have a stock 67 Cutlass and it has a 330 in it.
Actually, now that I think about a friend of mine does have a stock 67 Cutlass and it has a 330 in it.
#6
67 442 documentation
Fremont Ca made 67 442s and they will not have the 5V on the cowl tag, only the Lansing cars had that. There are many things to look for, but the only true way to identify a 67 442 is to have the build sheet that matches the cars serial number. You can come close by just comparing the equipment and numbers but I have seen way too many 67 442s rusted away that were sold and the drivetrain, etc was swapped to a good Cutlass Supreme body.
#8
I made long winded reply to your question and it was lost for some reason so the long and short of it. Fremont cars have nothing that anyone has been able to identify as marking the W29 package. Without the build sheet you have nothing to use for identification. I have found that no matter where the 442s were built in 67 that the non-442 cars had a CS emblem on the C-pillar. Remove the inside dome light from the C-pillar and if you can see where the holes for the emblem were welded or puttied up you have a car that has been converted.
#9
True 442 engine?
There is only one way to tell if its a true 442 because 442 was not its own model in 67 if you look at the cowl tag if the first 3 numbers are 338 that stands for a Cutlass V-8 ( the 8 in the number stands for 8 cylinder ) ( there were only 2 V-8"s made that year for the Cutlass 350 & 400 ) the 400 was the 442 engine..the next thing is check the engine right in front of the thermostat housing there will be a number if the number starts with 39 and ends with E that is a 400 engine after that you can check the numbers to the body to see if its a matching number car ...if the first 3 numbers are
333 / 334 / 335 or 336 then your car cannot be a 442
333 / 334 / 335 or 336 then your car cannot be a 442
#10
My 67 442 has all of the right parts for a 442, however the number in front of the thermostat on my engine is 389 244 D. The first 3 do not match any of those you have listed and it doesn't end with an E. Any idea what model car this engine belonged in? I haven't been able to find out so far. Thanks.
#11
In 67 all 442s were based on the Cutlass, not the F85, so the VIN begins with 338077, 338177, or 338677 with the first 3 being Olds, the last 7 being for 1967. 3807 was the Sports Coupe (2 door sedan), 3817 was Holiday Coupe (2 door hardtop), and 3867 the convertible. The 5V on the Lansing 442 cowl tags was discussed above. Any other parts like the engine could have been swapped years ago. The original engine was a 400 (390925E next to the oil filler) and the rear lower control arms were boxed with a sway bar between them. The original 442 hood was louvered, a 442-only part.
#12
1967 442s made in Lansing *and* Framingham will have the column 5 "V" to denote 442 body trim. This is proof positive.
Otherwise, there *are* other ways besides a build sheet. In addition to original paperwork (window sticker, invoice, bill of sale, etc.), the Protect-O-Plate will verify a 442 because it will contain a 442-only engine unit number.
Where do you go to get all of this information?
Wild About Cars. http://wildaboutcars.com
You'll find Chassis Service Manuals, Product Information Manuals (AKA Assembly Manuals), Inspector's Manuals, and other documents that will contain this and much much more.
Otherwise, there *are* other ways besides a build sheet. In addition to original paperwork (window sticker, invoice, bill of sale, etc.), the Protect-O-Plate will verify a 442 because it will contain a 442-only engine unit number.
Where do you go to get all of this information?
Wild About Cars. http://wildaboutcars.com
You'll find Chassis Service Manuals, Product Information Manuals (AKA Assembly Manuals), Inspector's Manuals, and other documents that will contain this and much much more.
Last edited by wmachine; July 21st, 2011 at 05:12 AM.
#13
1967 442s made in Lansing *and* Framingham will have the column 5 "V" to denote 442 body trim. This is proof positive.
Otherwise, there *are* other ways besides a build sheet. In addition to original paperwork (window sticker, invoice, bill of sale, etc.), the Protect-O-Plate will verify a 442 because it will contain a 442-only engine unit number.
Otherwise, there *are* other ways besides a build sheet. In addition to original paperwork (window sticker, invoice, bill of sale, etc.), the Protect-O-Plate will verify a 442 because it will contain a 442-only engine unit number.
#16
Wow, I never thought I'd get such a great response on a thread as old as this one. The cowl tag has a couple of other things I'm having trouble with. I've attached the complete listing of the cowl tag.
So far I've deciphered everything except the trim code: 980-C and the paint code: L-2
Can anyone help with these? I think the paint code "L" means the lower body color was Tahoe Turquoise but what about the 2? Could that be for the vinyl top? Also, the trim code 980 seems to mean Holiday Coupe with black interior and bench seat but I can't find anything about the "C". Thanks for your help.
So far I've deciphered everything except the trim code: 980-C and the paint code: L-2
Can anyone help with these? I think the paint code "L" means the lower body color was Tahoe Turquoise but what about the 2? Could that be for the vinyl top? Also, the trim code 980 seems to mean Holiday Coupe with black interior and bench seat but I can't find anything about the "C". Thanks for your help.
#17
980 = Black interior bench seat Cutlass Supreme platform
C = Provincial White Lower Exterior Color
L = Tropic Torquoise Upper (top) Exterior Color
My neighbor had this exact combo on his '67 no vinyl top though
Post a pic of the actual trim (cowl) tag, this will help on the rest.
C = Provincial White Lower Exterior Color
L = Tropic Torquoise Upper (top) Exterior Color
My neighbor had this exact combo on his '67 no vinyl top though
Post a pic of the actual trim (cowl) tag, this will help on the rest.
#18
980 = Black interior bench seat Cutlass Supreme platform
C = Provincial White Lower Exterior Color
L = Tropic Torquoise Upper (top) Exterior Color
My neighbor had this exact combo on his '67 no vinyl top though
Post a pic of the actual trim (cowl) tag, this will help on the rest.
C = Provincial White Lower Exterior Color
L = Tropic Torquoise Upper (top) Exterior Color
My neighbor had this exact combo on his '67 no vinyl top though
Post a pic of the actual trim (cowl) tag, this will help on the rest.
the C goes with the interior and means the Strato Bench Seat.
L2 is exterior, Tropic Turquoise bottom with a black vinyl top.
#19
#20
Strato
Could be off here, but Kurt knows if this is correct. This is for C/S two doors and 442s only. The black Strato was coded 980C, regular bench coded 920A. The difference was in the fold down arm rest (Stratos). Only regular benches for post cars (33807), not hardtops like yours.
Bob
Bob
#21
980 C is a black "custom sport front seat". StratoBench wasn't offered on the Cutlass in 67, only big cars. The custom sport front seat is a split bench with folding armrest. It was option code A65. A no cost option in place of the 442's standard Strato bucket seats
Here's my 67's trim tag:
Here's my 67's trim tag:
Last edited by copper128; August 2nd, 2011 at 06:37 PM. Reason: correction
#24
Strato Bench looked just like 2 Strato buckets joined in the center of the lower and with a folding center armrest.
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#27
That is the correct custom sport bench for a 442 holiday coupe. Exactly the same as in my car. I agree it sits too high and doesn't go back far enough - and my car has the power adjuster option, too.
#28
Silly me! I thought a "split" bench seat meant that the seat part was split also. My wife's Lincoln is like that.
#29
980 C is a black "custom sport front seat". StratoBench wasn't offered on the Cutlass in 67, only big cars. The custom sport front seat is a split bench with folding armrest. It was option code A65. A no cost option in place of the 442's standard Strato bucket seats
Here's my 67's trim tag:
Here's my 67's trim tag:
Identifying a true factory 67 W 30 is an altogether different animal!!!
#30
Yeah, there is a bunch of stuff on there ain't it?
Way back when I first got the car I had one of the guys on ROP ID some of it, but I've forgotten most of that info. I do have the original window sticker that lists 26 options totalling $1,583.20! Somebody really loaded this car up, but it's mostly luxury, not performance options. If anyone is really interested I'll post a pic of the sticker.
It was delivered on 1/14/67 at Bowen's Oldsmobile in Richmond, IN.
Way back when I first got the car I had one of the guys on ROP ID some of it, but I've forgotten most of that info. I do have the original window sticker that lists 26 options totalling $1,583.20! Somebody really loaded this car up, but it's mostly luxury, not performance options. If anyone is really interested I'll post a pic of the sticker.
It was delivered on 1/14/67 at Bowen's Oldsmobile in Richmond, IN.
Last edited by copper128; August 3rd, 2011 at 05:30 AM.
#31
Yeah, there is a bunch of stuff on there ain't it?
Way back when I first got the car I had one of the guys on ROP ID some of it, but I've forgotten most of that info. I do have the original window sticker that lists 26 options totalling $1,583.20! Somebody really loaded this car up.
It was delivered on 1/14/67 at Bowen's Oldsmobile in Richmond, IN.
Way back when I first got the car I had one of the guys on ROP ID some of it, but I've forgotten most of that info. I do have the original window sticker that lists 26 options totalling $1,583.20! Somebody really loaded this car up.
It was delivered on 1/14/67 at Bowen's Oldsmobile in Richmond, IN.
If I remember correctly, that 'J" in your 5VJ code denotes "center" back seat belt!! Is that listed as an option on your window sticker? One of mine has that center rear seat belt!
Last edited by Chesrown 67 OAI; August 3rd, 2011 at 05:36 AM.
#32
A39 Deluxe frt & rr seat belts $6.32
AL5 Rear center seat belt - deluxe $7.90
#33
#34
Strato vs. custom sport bench
with bucket seat backs
Strato Bench looked just like 2 Strato buckets joined in the center of the lower and with a folding center armrest.
I'd like to see that "loaded" tag decoded too!
Bob
#37
#38
But then only options were 442 pkg, W30 pkg, AM radio, Power rear antenna!
That was it!!! Still cant understand why they ordered it with a radio? Unless they wanted the extra weight of the power antenna over the right rear wheel?
And they had to order a radio in order to get the Power rear antenna!! LOL!!!
Its the car in my avatar!
#39
That is odd about the radio and power antenna. Why bother?
Question: Did the W30 option include Anti-Spin? I always thought it was a required option rather than part of the pkg. My non-W30 came with the standard 442 3.08 open rear.
Question: Did the W30 option include Anti-Spin? I always thought it was a required option rather than part of the pkg. My non-W30 came with the standard 442 3.08 open rear.
#40
I really dont recall seeing "anti-slip" as a cost option on the sticker?
If I tried, I could come up with the cost options on all that i remeber on the car and see how close I could come to the 3507.00 sticker price.
I'm sure W-Machine Kurt or Curt A. would know the answer for certain??