jmos4

Hi,

Saw this on COPART, not mine just passing along

69 Hurst Olds in Colorado

https://www.copart.com/lot/56349999​​​​​​

regards,

tru-blue 442

Holy crap! Somebody save this!

https://www.copart.com/lot/56349999

allyolds68

Look at the VIN number

joe_padavano

So this car has been stolen and had the VIN swapped. Good luck with that.

allyolds68

its not a H/O

336879E1007**

hurst68olds

or someone had it insured for $85K & it was recovered intact after the insurance paid off

joe_padavano

I realize that's a 1968 Linden Cutlass VIN. My point is that the car appears to have the correct parts for a 69 H/O, thus my comment that the car has been stolen and the VIN tag swapped.

allyolds68

I guess if it was VIN swapped to a 442 Linden VIN I could see it but you’d have to be a total moron to VIN swap it to a Cutlass VIN....lol.

it would be interesting to see what engine it has.

tru-blue 442

I just saw the car and thought , oh s**t, It looked so good, I didn't even look for the 344.

joe_padavano

I had a similar issue come up when I had a 67 Cutlass stolen. Turned out that even though the car was recovered, the thieves had put a VIN tag on it that did not come close to matching the actual car.

NiceOld(s)Car

So the value of it as a car to sell or to show would be destroyed. But if you were to buy it, to drive and it had been stolen and recovered, you would be able to at least be able to get a clear title to it?
Jack

joe_padavano

From the info presented in the ad, I can't tell if this is an original car with a VIN swap or a clone. The parts we can see look correct, but the hood scoop, shifter, wing, mirrors, etc are all available repro. As Mike correctly points out, it would be important to see the engine and trans, particularly the OH tag. Upon closer inspection, note that there are no mirrors (though the ones on my car were gone when I got it) and aftermarket wheels.

NiceOld(s)Car

I'm not very familiar with Copart. I live in the Denver Metro area though. Do they typically allow inspection of these cars before the auctions?

NiceOld(s)Car

Looking at the Copart site it says they do allow and encourage inspections, so I may try to look into it. Only problem is I get on a plane in a couple of hours and am gone til Friday.
Thanks,
Jack

droldsmorland

How about the 69 442 vert listed there. It got punched HARD. No vin given. Looks like a real clean car, though restoration would be a challenge on this one.
https://www.copart.com/lot/57190249

Heres the link to the "H/O"

https://www.copart.com/lot/56349999

jmos4

Hi,

Saw the drop top, I came across them looking at the 67 442 parts car that was gutted by fire, link is under parts

Regards,

Jamesbo

But the top rear fender chrome off the drop top

69HO43

Hard to tell for sure, but it appears there wasn't any mirror on the passenger side at all. Of course, a couple of small drill holes would be tough to see. I just don't see any evidence. Doesn't mean they're not there. I'm half blind anyway.
The wrinkly looking foil Hurst/Olds on the glovebox appears it could be legit. I've seen them do this where it bubbles around the edges. However, it's not a good, clear shot of it to tell for sure. Repros are different. The real ones have a clear plastic lens on them. Very thin, but it's supposed to be there. If I could get a clear enough picture of it, I can tell if it's an original or not. The wood grain is gone, so either it didn't have any there, or someone took it because it had a Hurst number plate on it.
It has idiot lights, but Rallye Pack wasn't standard. Most of the H/O's did have them though.
It appears if it's a clone, they at least got the right interior color. No rockets on the doors, though, so I suspect that is a repop door panel.
It does appear to me, anyway, that the woodgrain on the shifter top plate is from a 68 instead of the burlwood.

This needs an open hood and body plate picture. There weren't a ton of white cars with black buckets in 69. At least 442s. If it's a 50-50 or 50 50 with 930 interior...I'd lean to the swapped VIN. If it's not, then it's simply a clone. In either case, more research needed.

If it is a clone, it appears to be done fairly well, all things considered.

NiceOld(s)Car

I talked to my brother about this. He's a retired TX DPS (state police). He talked to one of his buddies who was head of a auto theft task force in the DPS. According to him if it was a recovered stolen vehicle then Copart should be able to provide a title for it, however if the VIN tag is a fake they are supposed to remove it. I know that varies by state, but if they did remove it that seems even more problematic. I've only lived in Colorado a few years so I don't know the laws regarding this but I will try to talk to some of my local Olds club friends to see what they can tell me about it. When I get back to CO I will try to contact Copart and see if I can schedule a time to go and look at the car and will of course try to ask them the status of some of these legal questions if they can provide information on it.

Jack

dr.oldsjr

This is a nice clone that was stolen from a local guy. Insurance paid. The car was recovered. Held hostage forever at the Sheriff’s. Now at auction.

wr1970

That vert 69 just need a polish. 😂

joe_padavano

Wow, while we don't know what engine or trans is in it, they did what appears to be a really nice job building a clone. A lot of little details are correct.

Kaline

Thanks for the insight! It looks like a great clone: very nicely done.

So that everyone knows the VIN 336879E100744 decodes as:

3 = Oldsmobile
36 = Cutlass V8
87 = 2-Door Holiday Coupe
9 = 1969 Model Year
E = Linden, New Jersey Assembly
100744 = Vehicle Production Number

It looks like it would clean up to be a great driver.

@dr.oldsjr Would you have contact info on the former owner to see what documentation he might have?

Kaline

For those who are interested, this car is up for auction right and the auction ends on April 7th. Additional pictures have been added to the listing.
https://www.copart.com/lot/56349999

dr.oldsjr

I have not seen the car personally, but I am told it is a nicely done clone. I understand it has a 455 and TH400, along with other "correct" goodies on the engine.

dr.oldsjr

It is interesting to note that the car was listed, bid, apparently sold, and is now relisted. I do not know if Copart has a reserve or what the story is there.

69HO43

20K bid at the moment? Hmmm. A bit steep for that, but hey, I've seen more money frittered away for a lot less of a car. It does bother me a bit about the strange looking rivets holding the VIN plate on the car. Would like to see the body tag. The VIN puts it at vehicle #744 for the Linden plant, so we should imagine a 1968 date code.

anthonyP

Another interesting car on the same website is a 1972 442. An engine fire totaled the W-25 hood, but the rest of the parts look okay. According to the VIN, the 442 came with the optional 350 4bbl engine and dual exhaust. It also has a dual-gate shifter and factory gauges.

https://www.copart.com/lot/35369750/Photos