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I came across an auction on bat https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...e-442-w-30-14/ for a 70 W-30 but have never seen some of the documentation the seller is showing. I don't see a broadcast card like others have shown showing the W30 option, I'd be interested if anyone has seen this type of documentation before. The tire decal he shows must be from a later 70's model as it shows a H78x15 tire recommendation.
It also shows radial tires HR. There was no pic of the VIN derivitive stamp on the transmission. A drill hole on the engine ID makes me wonder if the block is correct. Seems like 425's used that to specify a certain lifter bank angle. Joe P, where are you, to set us straight ?
It also shows radial tires HR. There was no pic of the VIN derivitive stamp on the transmission. A drill hole on the engine ID makes me wonder if the block is correct. Seems like 425's used that to specify a certain lifter bank angle. Joe P, where are you, to set us straight ?
I have seen 70 442 engines with the drill mark on the stamp pad. That stamping looks correct to me.
Those are Production A and Production B sheets. They're far less common than a broadcast card, however, they do appear from time to time. This car has great documentation though that block stamping might be a bit suspect. Cool W-30!
Those are Production A and Production B sheets. They're far less common than a broadcast card, however, they do appear from time to time. This car has great documentation though that block stamping might be a bit suspect. Cool W-30!
Agreed. The block stamp looks suspect. The carb stamp is VERY perfect. Unless I missed it, I didn't see a picture of the VIN derivative on that OW trans.
So I have a question. Why does someone strive for a 100% restoration, then convert the AC to R-134A instead of shelling out a few more dollars for the "correct" R-12 refrigerant?
Nice docs..
Unfortunately that 258 carb is a restamp. He says he can't get a pic of the dist numbers - ? I see the "F" on the head and assume it's real, but the casting numbers would help. Just my .02 but I don't like the engine vin stamp. Although it appears to be the correct font/size, most vins #'s are straight in a row.. regardless of orientation on the pad. Didn't they load them together in a jig and stamp ?
I've seen more than a few angled VIN derivative stamps. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that the last six are crisp and highly legible, but the first three are not. Hmmm. And FYI, all NINE characters of the VIN derivative are supposed to match the VIN.
It looks like that car came from Steel City Oldsmobile in Birmingham, Al. At one time, they were the largest volume Oldsmobile dealership in Alabama. Their old location is now a parking deck.
Two things surprised me. One it actually has the base steering wheel. Two it actually has 442 tail lights. I as always would like to see before pictures. I like white A body cars. I prefer no top but that's just me. At least a spoiler wasn't put on it.
Last edited by no1oldsfan; January 11th, 2022 at 01:38 PM.
[QUOTE=WTHIRTY1;1396991]Those are Production A and Production B sheets. They're far less common than a broadcast card, however, they do appear from time to time. /QUOTE]
This is a fact; however, when they do you have to strain to read them as the ink is badly faded. This form (B) showing the W30 option on it looks like it was printed yesterday by Vader
Plus I may have missed it, but how does this form (B) tie back to this particular car? I don't see any reference numbers on the form that indicates it goes with this car?
Is that tire inflation sticker actually from/for this car?
The Production B sheet lists the tire as a "L9DS"
previous post (70 442 w30's-Goodyear or Firestone tires?) have identified this as:
L9DS - G70 X 14 wide oval black wall with raised white letters
L9 - size - G70-14
DS - type - fiberglass belted w/RWL
Reading the ad, unless I misread it which is entirely possible…they have documentation back to the original owner meaning that person is still around I assume and is the name on the POP card.. with that said one should be able to talk with the prior two owners and at least verbally verify some of the anomalies..agreed the pictures of the docs are much different than the standard broadcast card, which makes me scratch my head more than once. The carb stamp is very very perfect.. is it real or restamped? I do not know as that is something you experts know more about. The production B sheet looks like perfect ink, perfect no discoloration on the paper.. not a good sign..and the ad says 32k miles but not known if thats original? If its a 3 owner car that should be easily verifiable.. if I were in the market for one I would definitely do some-deep research into the car before bidding.. almost to good of docs to be true
Last edited by Andy; January 11th, 2022 at 03:53 PM.
I have a 1970 w30 that's identical to this car, except for mine does not have the vinyl top, but does have power windows, tilt, and a sports steering wheel. However, well this car has the dual gate shifter, mine has the stock shifter. My car has the same red on white build sheet, and it's in mint condition like this one.
I wouldn't be concerned about the ink on the Prod B sheet. Those sheets typically weren't tucked in to seats or under the carpet like broadcast cards. In fact, a friend said his sheets were in the glovebox so expect them to be near mint. That's just a well preserved piece of paper.
Dealers will often trade amongst themselves if they have a customer that wants something specific, and a dealer close by has that car. Atlanta-Birmingham is certainly an easy distance for a dealer trade.
Lots of this documentation depended on the technician performing the Pre-Delivery Inspection when the car came in from the transport truck. I've seen hundreds of those thrown away. At the time, it was simply production line scrap paper. Consider yourself lucky if you have any of this kind of documentation.
Absolutely beautiful car!! If I bought one new it would have been in those colors. Personally I love the wheels too. That's what I had on my 70. Thanks for sharing. Colorado car huh? Maybe I will see it in person some day.
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Plus I may have missed it, but how does this form (B) tie back to this particular car? I don't see any reference numbers on the form that indicates it goes with this car?
Upon more study, I see that the line number (0343) from the Form B links back to the red on white card (Form A?). With that, if the seller were to misplace the Form A (red on white card?) then the Form B card which specifies W30 is useless?
Upon more study, I see that the line number (0343) from the Form B links back to the red on white card (Form A?). With that, if the seller were to misplace the Form A (red on white card?) then the Form B card which specifies W30 is useless?
In 2022, if someone doesn’t have multiple copies or digital scans of their paperwork, they’re a fool.
In 2022, if someone doesn’t have multiple copies or digital scans of their paperwork, they’re a fool.
Yea, try selling a W30 or W31 with copies for paperwork. That's sure to work-out for the seller.
Seriously, and not to be argumentative or combative, but instead I want leave a trail here so that other can learn regarding these two forms. I certainly am in learning mode myself. These forms have come up in the past, and the links end, leaving one hanging. Is this the way it looks to others is that both of the production forms A&B are needed to link the W30 option to the car when the broadcast card is missing?
Last edited by tnswt; January 12th, 2022 at 01:39 PM.
I came across an auction on bat https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...e-442-w-30-14/ for a 70 W-30 but have never seen some of the documentation the seller is showing. I don't see a broadcast card like others have shown showing the W30 option, I'd be interested if anyone has seen this type of documentation before. The tire decal he shows must be from a later 70's model as it shows a H78x15 tire recommendation.
tdhill01 If you enlarge the Production Card A (red on white card) block 45 should list the W30 option. Number 8 in this block 45 = W30. This form also carries the VIN so that is one form of proof. In addition, Production Card B is printed with the W30 option at the bottom. Card B has a line number, I believe it is the first block that ties back to the Production Card A.
I hope this helps you and others down the road. I've sure learned something from all this too.
Yea, try selling a W30 or W31 with copies for paperwork. That's sure to work-out for the seller.
Seriously, and not to be argumentative or combative, but instead I want leave a trail here so that other can learn regarding these two forms. I certainly am in learning mode myself. These forms have come up in the past, and the links end, leaving one hanging. Is this the way it looks to others is that both of the production forms A&B are needed to link the W30 option to the car when the broadcast card is missing?
Definitely with you on trying to wrap all this around my head, hopefully we can get solid info on these forms, how they tie together etc..
tdhill01 If you enlarge the Production Card A (red on white card) block 45 should list the W30 option. Number 8 in this block 45 = W30. This form also carries the VIN so that is one form of proof. In addition, Production Card B is printed with the W30 option at the bottom. Card B has a line number, I believe it is the first block that ties back to the Production Card A.
I hope this helps you and others down the road. I've sure learned something from all this too.
As they should since Prod A and Prod B sheets weren’t typically jammed under a seat or stuffed somewhere.
For my education, were A and B given to the buyer upon receipt of the new car? Or were they neatly wrapped up in the glove box etc? First time I have saw these type docs .
Taking a look at one of the videos he posted it does not look like that alternator is the correct one. Didn’t all 442 models including the W-30 receive an open face alternator?
Taking a look at one of the videos he posted it does not look like that alternator is the correct one. Didn’t all 442 models including the W-30 receive an open face alternator?
You are correct, but that is not uncommon. Unfortunately most of these cars had the original alternator replaced with a parts store rebuild decades ago, before anyone knew what an "open face alternator" was. There's a reason why correct alternators for these cars sell for what they do.
It looks like it might be a decent driver. What do you guys think about the spot welds on the lower rear 1/4s? They look like they could be faux welds?
For an unrestored car missing the big dollar carb, distributor, alternator, and misc, thats a strong number.. imo The buyer will be in for another 10K to get the right parts, and have a nice driver for 90K. hmm
January 11th, 2022, 06:51 AM
