11971four4two

I stopped at the local 110 octane vendor $6.45 per gallon pay at the pump with credit card 24hours a day


Kisch OIL
17470 113th Avenue N
Maple Grove MN 55369

Cheers!

1969Hurst

Speedways here in the Chicago area is offering 110 octane as well, at least the one near me is, but they have the hose clamped at the bottom of the pump so you can only get it into a 5 gal gas can.. Has "Racing fuel, off road use only" sticker on it... yeah, right

coppercutlass

The citgo here in glendale hts il. has racing fuel for 7.45 a gallon and you can pump it into your car. which i have done once but it's pointless pretty much., 93 works just fine. There is also a delta sonic in downers grove il that has 100 unleaded for 6.50 a gallon.

Highwayman

It probably doesn't have road taxes added. What color is it?

380 Racer

You guys don't pay road use tax on race fuel? Here in good old Iowa we pay tax on everything. We get nailed even on a 55 gallon drum of racing fuel.

coppercutlass

I have filled up my truck with "red" diesel from time to time . It's red in clolor and is "only" for off road use excavators tractors etc. Its only about 25 to 35 cents cheaper but it adds up over time and since i dont have to get a d.o.t inspection i dont run the risk of getting caught. Guys in big rigs can get all kinds of fines for running the red diesel.

SBORule

Does any of your stations sell E85 ?
If so, how much.

ah64pilot

SBO, I talked to a guy last night at the local park your car and leave to race meet lol...He just finished an E85 conversion on his Nova but you know street racers, everything's a secret.

What is involved in that? I would love to make the conversion, he said he was paying $3.19 / gal and has less problems with detonation.

11971four4two

From what I was told the most expensive part to go E85 is the carb that is set up to run it.

You will save big money if you use enough fuel

Rickman48

Holley has a kit and book on that, I think!!

navvet

I have a station up the street that sells 110. I was thinking of getting 4-5 gallons. I have a 64 Dynamic 88 with a 394. Two questions: 1. Is there any value and 2. Can it hurt the engine. If it has value such as giving the ole gal an internal scrubbing I wil do it, otherwise I will just stick to a can of Fireball 104 ever now and then.

11971four4two

navvet if you have a stock engine I woud run the nonoxy
ethanol free collector car gas. Putting the 110 in you car will not hurt it. But $2 to $3 more per gallon.

You can use the link below to find a station near you that sells the collector car stuff


https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...locations.html

11971four4two

They are still selling $6.45 at the pump
My cans are full

67Olds442X2

I live about 40 minutes from Maryland International Raceway and an "Oceanic" quick stop about 25 miles away sells CAM II for about $8.00 a gallon. I usually fill (3) 5 gallon containers to add to my tank. Car is still broke so no need for it yet

LX89mustang

380 ,

Maybe you should look for a new supplier

Brian ,

The place in Mora had it for almost $9.00 a gallon when I was up there sledding

pogo69

75.00+ for 5 gals here....purple...lots of lead....mmmmm

11971four4two

High Test

380 Racer

Every supplier that sells race fuel in Iowa legally (I deal with 55 gallon drums) has to pay our road use tax. Been buying race fuel for 20 yrs......yes they all pay it.

1969Hurst

Haven't filled any yet this year but the 110 by my house is also a reddish-purple...

bisscrac

i feel like im getting screwed..... i pay $9.95 for sunoco 110 from the speed shop here in tampa

davebw31

I pay 8.49 a gal. for VP 110 0ctane from local race shop from their 500 gallon bulk tank. Got to bring your own cans. Their price for pre-package 5 gallon buckets is 65.00 + tax (13.00/gal + tax) so you are paying 22.55 + tax for the container! HuH!!!!!!

Mikes65

I read somewhere that adding k-1 kerosene is an octane booster. Slows the burn. Doesn't take much I think 8 ounces to 20 gallon raised the octane a few points. I would not mess around without more research though.

Redog

The only place I know to get anything higher that 93 is the race track

coppercutlass

Sunoco 110 is 7.50 at the local citgo. Goes down to 6.50 at the end of the season.

D. Yaros

Where is it this Citgo gas station that sells Sunoco fuel? Why would Citgo be selling a competitor's product, let alone one without Venezuelan ties?

pogo69

thats funny... don't you know there is no difference between an arab a venezuelan or a texan when it comes to oil money

coppercutlass

It's in glendale heights Il. Where I grew up. It was a mom n pop gas station. Called u save gas converted to citgo. They sell racing fuel every year. Feel free to call them and ask them when they start selling it this year. I'd like to find out.

11971four4two

Topped off the tank today. Still only 6.45$ / gal LL

DeltaPace77

My 455 build runs fine on 93 octane fuel, long as it's fresh. Usually put in 5 gallons of 110 octane to be sure though. I aways stay unleaded though, as drain the tank at seasons end, and easier to get rid of in my daily cars. For those who don't know. Staying unleaded is an expensive way to go, as refined fuel to the next step, yielding less fuel per crude input. Leaded is cheaper, as just adding lead to cheaper, less refined fuel.

442rocketdave

Just a note that we here in central Florida are paying thru the nose for Sunoco 100 or 110, 7.59 and 8.99, and our local stations were checked for the ethanol content in the gas and it was between 17 and 23 percent! It made the local news anyhow that is not good for the old motor the higher alcohol content makes the cylinder temp rise and thus more detonation, so try to stay ethanol free as much as you can.

cutlassefi

You're kidding right lol?!

Ethanol, methanol and alcohol all burn with LESS heat (about one third less) than gasoline, not more. That's why it takes more of it to make the same power.
Could it run lean with more ethanol in it? Of course but again it burns with much less heat so I'd bet you'd probably experience drivability problems before you did any damage.

That was a real knee slapper!

442rocketdave

Sure they do as a pure fuel not an ethanol/gasoline blend (gasohol) and because ethanol does burn cooler in its pure state but when mixed with gasoline it can have a higher octane but with less energy per volume, the reason is that it is parially oxidized hydrocarbon which is seen by the prsence of oxygen ithe the chemical formula C2H5OH, the sustitutuon of the OH hydroxyl radical for a H hydrogen which transforms the gas ethane(C2H6) into ethanol. They have a lower carbon density also they are more corrosive and absorb water creating a lean out condition and thus detonation!!! Thereby creating higher combustion temperatures. Alcohol in its pure form of Ethanol or Methanol run like you said 33percent cooler but require compression ratios of 16 to 19 to 1 and require more fuel. Also compression ratios are determined not only the volume of the cylinders and combustion chambers but also the amount of air restrictions in the intake manifold (manifold vacuum) as well as the barometric pressure. Which is a result of elevation and weather conditions. An engine using 93 octane at sea level that runs fine can run on 87 octane at 5000 ft. for each 1000ft of elevation there is a 1inHg(11 kPa/km) drop in atmospheric pressure. I rest my case

cutlassefi

But explain this, when you buy any pump gas it's still 87, 89 or whatever octane, no matter if it's been achieved by adding ethanol or just using all petroleum. Octane rating is nothing more than a number assigned to it for detonation resistance. 89 octane with or without ethanol is still 89 octane.
So if it contains ethanol, methanol or alcohol it may still require additional fuel, depending on the amount added.

Observe EFI fuel maps on the same application with and without fuel with ethanol. You'll clearly see that the ethanol product takes more fuel to run equally. Why? Because it burns with less heat. But it's still whatever octane posted on the pump. Do you really think the oil companies are giving us a higher octane fuel than they're required to? I think not.

And if you want to challenge that, ask some of the racers on here about different racing fuels and their specific gravities.
You can have a 110 octane fuel that has one specific gravity and another 110 octane fuel that has another. Both are rated at 110 octane, but I promise you that you can't jet them the same. The heavier one will need less jet, but it's still 110 octane, hmmmmmm.

442rocketdave

I know the difference between fuels, and about the specific gravity of different fuels and how they can be the same octane yet you have to rejet and calibrate for them. All I was getting across is gasohol is not a good fuel to run for older cars. They can create higher combustion chamber temperatures, not that the fuel by characteristics burns hotter but that in the older cars not equiped with computers or efi cannot adjust for the differences in some the crappy gas they are selling us. It would be better to buy real gas instead of the ethanol seeing that lately they have found it with 17 to 23 % ethanol content which is not good for the engine, look at the small gas engines that have been ruined by the ethanol. The corrosion is the major factor both of my daughters cars have had to have new fuel systems installed at the dealer and the mechanic told me its the FUEL!!

cutlassefi

It seems you're going back and forth here but whatever.
Yes older cars don't run well on gasohol. Main reason is because they're already lean for emissions, running gasohol makes them run even leaner. But their timing is also very conservative so detonation isn't likely, poor drivability and corrosion is. Both circumstances are well documented.