olds403

The small block version was needed long ago as well.

66-3X2 442

I wouldn't listen to 1/3 the crap you have.

Firewalker

Well I am glad they may be out for those that want them, but with what I see happening internationally and financially the time might be up already, for sales of much of anything. And the next 6 months looks to be absolutely terrible. But maybe I am wrong.

VORTECPRO

Your not wrong.

fleming442

Their delay sold a lot of Chinese heads.

I never said having new heads available was bad. After all the hype, it's all very anticlimactic. I agree with Firewalker.

skyhigh

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olds 307 and 403

Absolutely, waiting patiently. It is nice to see Edelbrock meet this timeline. Ironically with all the parts shortages it isn't any harder to build an Olds V8 than the belly button motors as they are also short of key parts.

cutlassefi

They did. But the Chinese stuff was going to sell anyway cuz of the price and closeness of design to the former Edelbrock heads.
BUT, this new head is significantly better than anything before it. If someone wants a better product, they’re more inclined to wait for it.
Lastly, the amount of back orders was encouraging. Maybe these will spawn new builds. You never know.

olds 307 and 403

The major delays I had were much more the machine shop than you and life in general. These heads definitely look like they are worth the wait, especially for us SBO guys👍.

fleming442

Let's see some 600+hp pump gas builds!

67OAI

Thank you Mark for all you have done for the Olds community! No need to bash one another, especially within this small section of motoring madness. There are many routes available to arrive at our destination. Let us all enjoy our hobby, for some our livelihood, and help each other as we are able!

HighwayStar 442

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cutlassefi

Thank you gentlemen.

VI Cutty

I agree, it's fantastic to see a company totally revamp a product like this when they could have just kept flogging the previous unimproved design successfully. Big thanks to people like Mark for helping them "get it right" and pushing the program. I'm glad I decided to wait...not sure when I'll see my heads yet, but they should show up with all the other parts that have a bunch of lead time anyhow so maybe I'll have my new engine right around Christmas :-D

News of them starting to ship has been really helpful remotivating me to get the rest of the work done on the car!

pettrix

It will be interesting to hear once someone bolts them up to an engine and runs them. Will most people run them out of the box or rework them?

Any idea what kind of valve material they are using and what spring manufacturer they are using?

fleming442

BMRE got a pallet of them.

deadeyejedi

I sure hope they are a vast improvement out of the box vs. worked over irons . I can’t wait to hear some numbers 👍

Bernhard

Congrats to Mark and all those involved in bring the new head to market.
I'm surprised that so many want to run a mechanical fuel pump on a performance engine. From a appearance view point not a fan of the head notch.
RobbMac will be selling more fuel pumps with these heads now on the market.

cutlassefi

37hp over big valve, 45* E’s. I’ll see if I can find the Dyno sheets.
And I know I’m going to get blown up for this but I’m going to say it anyway. What has Bernard Mondello, Bill Trovato, Dick Miller, Andy Miller, and Rocket Racing brought to the Oldsmobile community that you DON’T have to buy from them? Anybody want to take a stab at the answer?
And for record, outside of Edelbrock I’m told I was the only one involved in the project. Sad, as others had the opportunity, but true.

Donaldbabineau

Not that I'm in the market for them anymore, but I am getting emails that JEGS has them "in stock".

CANADIANOLDS

yep, it’s an odd thing to want this much better serious head on a small block and then run a mechanical pump that there is only one choice ….especially when back then there was zero choices for a non stock pump.

Great way to heat the fuel up before feeding the carb..

Firewalker

I got to be a fan of running both a mechanical pump along with an electric back by the gas tank 50 plus years ago. You could use both, like if you were getting serious, or just use the mechanical one. If the mechanical one failed, which did happen to me, then you could just throw the switch and run off the electric. And could go get a new mechanical and install it.

cutlassefi

Dale, the way I got the conversation started on these was that they had nothing for the 125,000 TA’s with OLDS engines in them. And that there were two main stumbling blocks regarding that, chamber size on the existing head, and the fact that you had to change to an electric pump no matter what.
So in a backwards kind of way, that scallop got us a couple of new cyl heads!!!

CANADIANOLDS

yep, that makes sense back then. But now the T/A crowd has a better option as a bolt on..the small chamber head. Which will take care of that big dish piston and super low comp..but, it’s not cut out for a mechanical pump, right?

but the other head is…which most likely won’t work as good because in my opinion it’s ports won’t make enough air speed for those low rpm engines and the gears they come with

I’ll be doing a 403 for a T/A this fall . If he will budget in a new set of heads, it will be the small chamber ones . With an electric pump…not because they heads aren’t cut for a mech pump, but because I want cool fuel , circulating in a return , at the carb. The old days of noisy electric pumps are long over with.

it’s got 2.56’s. I don’t think it will ever RPM over 4500.

CANADIANOLDS

Oh , forgot to ask..When will the Small chamber heads be available and will they be available bare?

cutlassefi

Probably fall. I’ve asked for bare heads to be available in both styles, haven’t heard back on that yet though.
Small block heads have the scallop as well. Again that’s what started the conversation/project.

skyhigh

Robbmc fuel pump info right from there page:

• Will clear Rocket Racing Heads
• Will NOT clear Edelbrock heads
• Will not clear passenger side A/C or alternator on Small Block engines.

Im sure the new heads it will since it scalloped, but wont help with bracket issues.

VORTECPRO

When I asked Rick about your involvement in this project he chuckled.....................?

olds403

Seems like NDA to me. We write some really restrictive ones. I am sure someone knows….at this point more Olds parts.
Nice heads regardless. Too late for me.

66-3X2 442

What did Rick say about your involvement?

Firewalker

All I know is I am still waiting for this promised head, and its been a LOOONG time.

olds 307 and 403

Good question.

rickw30

Edelbrock contacted Vortecpro first. So Mark gave them the new design but could not follow through due to his involvement and agreement with Musk on a new Jet Propulsion project.

cutlassefi

Well that’s a relief. I thought he couldn’t do it because he was busy giving financial advice to Warren Buffet.

rickw30

That would be up to Vortecpro. But if he does, they'll probably have to kill him.

😂..... This site is so much fun !

HighwayStar 442

Vortecpro Who??

olds 307 and 403

🤣🤣🤣

rickw30

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What happened to your original response ?
The one asking for his NDA.

rickw30

Your (Cutassefi) original response was..
" Bull...t, show me an NDA and I'll retract my original statement".
What are you thinking?
Come on "DUDE" ! Think about it....