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I quit posting there but drop in every now and then just to lurk. It's still the same cesspool it was with the same guys. There are a couple of good guys there tho. I wonder if Steve 81 & no1olds are the same person?
That site used to be a lot of fun back in the day (10-15 years ago). There was also a lot of good technical info on that site. A couple of back-to-back hacks really did that place in. It's too bad that all of that info wasn't backed up.
That site used to be a lot of fun back in the day (10-15 years ago). There was also a lot of good technical info on that site. A couple of back-to-back hacks really did that place in. It's too bad that all of that info wasn't backed up.
Bernhard wrote:
I agree.
There was a good base of Oldsmobile racers that would share their hard earned knowledge.
Bernhard wrote:
I agree.
There was a good base of Oldsmobile racers that would share their hard earned knowledge.
and with all the fighting and hatred, we still all got together at Norwalk every year for the best Olds race , car show and swap meet ever.
then the Karen’s came along and said “hey, you can’t say that or do that because it hurts feelings” Shoot, this place used to gossip all the time about how mean and nasty ROP was,, it actually scared guys on here
no fun allowed , online or in person.
Last edited by CANADIANOLDS; October 8th, 2023 at 02:55 PM.
and with all the fighting and hatred, we still all got together at Norwalk every year for the best Olds race , car show and swap meet ever.
then the Karen’s came along and said “hey, you can’t say that or do that because it hurts feelings” Shoot, this place used to gossip all the time about how mean and nasty ROP was,, it actually scared guys on here
no fun allowed , online or in person.
Bernhard wrote:
I always thought ROP was at it's best when it was allowed to self govern.
When Andy would have one of his customers share their experience / give customer feed back. He would spam the thread until it became locked or removed. I think it would have been better to have it just play out / self govern.
The crashes did not help the site and I'm not sure if all the content was recovered after every crash?
Paul had a way with words
Last edited by Bernhard; October 9th, 2023 at 08:42 AM.
Years ago on ROP I came up with a formula to compare na cars. It included weight, cubic inches, et and or mph? and have you a number ..I can’t remember exactly…but your number was your place on list.
anyone remember that?
it worked. It kinda took out all the bs. At Norwalk the weight was proven. It shut up a lot of the posers
Years ago on ROP I came up with a formula to compare na cars. It included weight, cubic inches, et and or mph? and have you a number ..I can’t remember exactly…but your number was your place on list.
anyone remember that?
it worked. It kinda took out all the bs. At Norwalk the weight was proven. It shut up a lot of the posers
Years ago on ROP I came up with a formula to compare na cars. It included weight, cubic inches, et and or mph? and have you a number ..I can’t remember exactly…but your number was your place on list.
anyone remember that?
it worked. It kinda took out all the bs. At Norwalk the weight was proven. It shut up a lot of the posers
I kinda remember that. It took Andy Millers "Potato chip" car way down the list.
I also remember REALLY wanting to be on that list. By the time I was running fast enough to be on it, the guy would never add me.
Who kept that list?
I kinda remember that. It took Andy Millers "Potato chip" car way down the list.
I also remember REALLY wanting to be on that list. By the time I was running fast enough to be on it, the guy would never add me.
Who kept that list?
I kinda remember that. It took Andy Millers "Potato chip" car way down the list.
I also remember REALLY wanting to be on that list. By the time I was running fast enough to be on it, the guy would never add me.
Who kept that list?
The old Kings of Olds power list only took one thing in to account, which was ET. The list should have been called Kings of ET.
this formula takes all four factors into account when making power comparisons between cars. Any of the four inputs can be changed , weight , cubic inches , ET or MPH which will change the final score, up or down. It works as any single change that will give you a better(Lower PFS#) score , like being heavier, having less cubes, higher MPH or lower ET, than an identical car …and vice versa for a worse score.
A= race weight with driver/ET
B= cubic inches/A
PFS= B/MPH x 1,000
The lower the Power Factor Score is, the higher you are on the list.
Last edited by CANADIANOLDS; October 15th, 2023 at 10:19 PM.
The old Kings of Olds power list only took one thing in to account, which was ET. The list should have been called Kings of ET.
this formula takes all four factors into account when making power comparisons between cars. Any of the four inputs can be changed , weight , cubic inches , ET or MPH which will change the final score, up or down. It works as any single change that will give you a better(Lower PFS#) score , like being heavier, having less cubes, higher MPH or lower ET, than an identical car …and vice versa for a worse score.
A= race weight with driver/ET
B= cubic inches/A
PFS= B/MPH x 1,000
The lower the Power Factor Score is, the higher you are on the list.
This is fun to play with but I have to question it's accuracy as a litmus test for ranking. Just for fun I plugged in my old combo in comparison to my new combo. According to the PFS calculation my old combination scores better. When plugging ET numbers only into the Wallace calculator (attached) the new combo scores better on a HP per CID basis.
Old combo:
462 CID
9.19 @ 141.38 mph
3170 lbs.
PFS score = 9.47
Wallace calculator HP based on ET 808 HP/462 CID = 1.7489 HP per CID
New combo:
529 CID
8.75 @151.5 mph
3215 lbs.
PFS score = 9.50
Wallace calculator HP based on ET 950 HP/529 CID = 1.7958 HP per CID
This is fun to play with but I have to question it's accuracy as a litmus test for ranking. Just for fun I plugged in my old combo in comparison to my new combo. According to the PFS calculation my old combination scores better. When plugging ET numbers only into the Wallace calculator (attached) the new combo scores better on a HP per CID basis.
Old combo:
462 CID
9.19 @ 141.38 mph
3170 lbs.
PFS score = 9.47
Wallace calculator HP based on ET 808 HP/462 CID = 1.7489 HP per CID
New combo:
529 CID
8.75 @151.5 mph
3215 lbs.
PFS score = 9.50
Wallace calculator HP based on ET 950 HP/529 CID = 1.7958 HP per CID
Wallace numbers are all based on sea level. Unless both your old combo and new combo were run under identical conditions to get your numbers, it’s hard to be exact.
Do you think your new combo is done already as far as not running quicker or faster? I inputted an increase of just 1 mph…..your PFS dropped to 9.44
what gave your old combo such a good score was it had 67 fewer cubes , but was only 45 lbs lighter.
another thing is the difference between 9.5 and 9.47 isn’t that much before rounding it off and multiplying it by 1,000.
Before; new combo exactly .0095, old one .0094735 which is only .0000265 diff
and with all the fighting and hatred, we still all got together at Norwalk every year for the best Olds race , car show and swap meet ever.
then the Karen’s came along and said “hey, you can’t say that or do that because it hurts feelings” Shoot, this place used to gossip all the time about how mean and nasty ROP was,, it actually scared guys on here
Wallace numbers are all based on sea level. Unless both your old combo and new combo were run under identical conditions to get your numbers, it’s hard to be exact.
Do you think your new combo is done already as far as not running quicker or faster? I inputted an increase of just 1 mph…..your PFS dropped to 9.44
what gave your old combo such a good score was it had 67 fewer cubes , but was only 45 lbs lighter.
another thing is the difference between 9.5 and 9.47 isn’t that much before rounding it off and multiplying it by 1,000.
Before; new combo exactly .0095, old one .0094735 which is only .0000265 diff
All good points.
I do think the new combo has more in it yet. The best with the old combo was also in better air, under 500ft. The new combo was around 1,100 ft.
Are done for this year or going out for a final bonzi run in killer October air?
Pretty sure I'm done. I've already started on upgrades for next year. Gonna try to get a little more weight out of it and get a chute on it. I was getting a little nervous going 150mph without one.
I don't think there is a car in the top 25 on that list that has been down a track in the past 5 yrs.
I think tester has ! Maybe not with a Oldsmobile engine.
Also when I made this list my car weigh was with me in the car. So car weight with driver, engine,Et,mph . I think that covered it. So then it can be plugged in to Wallace calculator for most information. Nothing stopping anyone from adding a new list ! Me I tried but not enough wanted to add their cars or up date. Same thing happened with racing engine combo forum lack participation! So carry on .
Last edited by wr1970; October 19th, 2023 at 07:52 AM.
I think tester has ! Maybe not with a Oldsmobile engine.
Also when I made this list my car weigh was with me in the car. So car weight with driver, engine,Et,mph . I think that covered it. So then it can be plugged in to Wallace calculator for most information. Nothing stopping anyone from adding a new list ! Me I tried but not enough wanted to add their cars or up date. Same thing happened with racing engine combo forum lack participation! So carry on .
Tester hasn't run an Olds motor in 10 years. Pretty sure it's been close to 5 years since it's been out with the 706 Chevy. I did see that he's getting it ready to go back out though.
I think tester has ! Maybe not with a Oldsmobile engine.
Also when I made this list my car weigh was with me in the car. So car weight with driver, engine,Et,mph . I think that covered it. So then it can be plugged in to Wallace calculator for most information. Nothing stopping anyone from adding a new list ! Me I tried but not enough wanted to add their cars or up date. Same thing happened with racing engine combo forum lack participation! So carry on .
have you figured out where your car would be using this formula?
where is your car on the kings of Olds power list?
I think tester has ! Maybe not with a Oldsmobile engine.
Also when I made this list my car weigh was with me in the car. So car weight with driver, engine,Et,mph . I think that covered it. So then it can be plugged in to Wallace calculator for most information. Nothing stopping anyone from adding a new list ! Me I tried but not enough wanted to add their cars or up date. Same thing happened with racing engine combo forum lack participation! So carry on .
October 8th, 2023, 10:09 AM
