88jetstar

Hello,

My 64 330 maybe done. It will only run with the carb being super rich. I have lots of blow by and lots smoke. I was wonder where is a good place to sort new parts such as piston rings and intake/exhaust valves. I think I need to do a complete rebuild and I want to see if its worth it compared to getting another motor.

Thank you

tru-blue 442

Me, I would hang on to the original
engine if that is the one. Find a nice
350 runner for the time being. You may
have to use your flex plate on the 350.

I think one of our Texas members, project bedlum,
has a combo for sale for very little $, out of his 72.
The man's name is Ralph. Good luck with it.

olds 307 and 403

Flex plate won't fit a 350, different bolt pattern. It will be cheaper to find a good running 350. You will need pistons, which aren't cheap for the 330.

88jetstar

Where do I even look for pistons? Jegs/summit? I have no clue where to get decent parts for this car.

67442nut

If you want to economize, there are a lot of good used 330's out there and for reasonable prices.
A lot of good 330's and 350's are being replaced with 455's.
I was about too convert my driver, a '67 Cutlass, to a 4-4-2 clone using a '67 4-4-2 drivetrain.
For some reason I came to my senses and realized that 330 was a perfectly good engine with plenty of power and easier on gas.
A good used small block might be a good, economical option to consider.
Just make sure you can hear it run before you buy.
('64 Jetstar-neat car!!)

tru-blue 442

If you picked up Ralph's unit
you could use the trans and pick
up an extra forward gear as well, J/S.
Drive shaft would be a question
along with shipping costs though.

olds 307 and 403

Egge Machine Company, would be one of the few who has them, $326.60 a set, high and low compression.

oldstata

What do you mean by smoking ? My 65 330 smoked really bad as well I adjusted the carb and installed a PVC valve and smoke went away might want to try the simple stuff before condemning the motor

oldcutlass

Might perform compression test on it and go from there.

88jetstar

a few years back i did a compression test and i had one cylinder at 75 psi and the rest around 125 psi. it started life as a 2bbl "ultra high compression" motor, which I take to me a 10.25:1 motor. and by smoking badly and running badly i couldnt keep it running long enough to go around the block. it died on me about 4 times. I am not condemning the motor as much as trying to figure out where to get what I need, I would love some big crate olds motor, but my budget appears to be more towards the rebuild the the 330 or pick up a wrecked LS car and do the evil swap. It used to run pretty good with the edlebrock manifold and demon carb. The only reason I have havent torn down the heads yet is that one of my exhaust manifold is cracked right through the bolt hole. I have not be able to get an exhaust manifold or a clear answer on what aftermarket manifold/header i can use.

oldstata

There is a member looking for a certin block date might want to check it and see if it's what he needs could be some funds to do the swap with the funds needed to rebuild just a thought

Also I have a set of big block but really they are small block manifolds not sure if the will work with your car but your welcome to them just pay shipping.

Also what's your location I will be pulling a 330 in the next year that runs great but it is 50 years old

captjim

You guys are always killing me for suggesting everything be done high-dollar, how does this sound for a "budget build"?

Find a relatively low mileage, running 403. Pop on some 350 heads, or if you want to go stealth mode, rebuild your 330 heads. On quick glance, only pros like Joe P will know the difference. CR should be a street-friendly 9 to 1 +/-. Swap in a cam in the 210/.480 range, new chain and gears, you already have the intake and carb. It is a direct bolt-in, and you will have a torquey 400+ CI small block for less than a grand.

Octania

try a flush with some motor magic chemical, clean out them piston oil return holes.

if you rebuild,. just use std size 350 pistons and voila a forged crank 350.

The 403 route is also good.

captjim

The problem with that is the 330 has a stock bore of 3.938 vs the 350 of 4.057, a difference of .119. That would require 3 more over bores at .030 per cut. That cost would probably make either getting a 350 block or 330 Egge or even custom pistons a more cost-effective solution. IMHO.

I do agree that it might be a bit premature to condemn the 330, without more investigation.

88jetstar

buy budget i mean 10k for a create motor is high, 2k for a rebuild is reasonible,

does this like like a good way to use up 2k?

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44058K ROCKER PART $11.69 $93.52

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48054 PUSHROD $4.25 $68.00

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78113 .250 DOUBLE ROLLER SET $73.75 $73.75

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CB684.000 Edit Oversize ROD BEARING $7.01 $56.08

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L2227-8.000 Edit Oversize PISTON SET $360.26 $360.26

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MS2805.000 Edit Oversize MAIN BEARINGS OLDS 330/350 $82.76 $82.76

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O-6 CAM BEARING SET $34.69 $34.69

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S2494 EXHAUST VALVE $9.39 $75.12

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SRH636.000 Edit Oversize RING SET $49.56 $49.56

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TC498 TIMING CHAIN $20.40 $20.40

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TS348 CAM SPROCKET 330/350 OLDS $10.71 $10.71

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VL51 VALVE LIFTER $3.40 $54.40

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VS891 VALVE SPRINGS $3.83 $61.28

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P-225ANEWHV 1964-UP OLDS 330, 350, 394, 400, 425 & 455 NEW H.V. OIL PUMP $116.50 $116.50

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60-1424-45 NEW PERFORMANCE CAMSHAFT $413.26 $413.26

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oldstata

My opinion is you could find a good runner for cheaper your still looking at 1500-2500 in machine work and assembly

Unless you want a number/period correct car

nsnarsk65cutlass

If it was mine i'd go the 455 route.

captjim

You can't do a rebuild with new pistons for 2 grand, it will end up being double that, even if you assemble it yourself. Like oldstata stated, machine work will run $1500 minimum, and you left out gaskets and other misc stuff like fluids that add up. Not saying not to do it, but it won't be for $2000.

oldstata

Also I think your cam might be wrong as the early 330 have a 45* cam if you do go this rout get with cutlasefi to custom grind the correct one for you

88jetstar

I just copied and pasted the first thing i saw on egge. That whole thing was $1600. I am not afraid to spend money on it. A rebuild i can do slowly over a few months, if i get another motor i dont want to have to do anything to it but drop it in and go. I need to get my pos wbodies out of the way and free up some room in my garage but i am in the middle or replacing both transmissions in them.

88jetstar

This was stainless steel, now i have to find the steel again lol. It was nice and shiny until it started smoking. The other thing it did is stall out while driving, it would just cut out.
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olds 307 and 403

Find a good running mid 70's Olds 350 or a late 70's 403. I have found good ones for $120 to $400. The late 76 350, I paid $120 for, had 140-142 psi all 8 cylinders, hot oil pressure of 20 at idle in gear and 45-50 at cruise. I added a Performer cam, Cloyes timing set I already had and a $12 Fel Pro gasket set and an AMC rubber rear main. Deals are out there.

jag1886

You forgot the cost of machine work in your figures.

88jetstar

What do I need machined?

captjim

The block and the heads. Bore, hone, align hone, deck, hot tank, cam bearings installed on the block, then the heads done. Not trying to be rude, but if you are asking that question, you aren't ready to do this. Take some time to read a book or do some research online.

oldstata

Machine work depends on the condition of the block I would ask there prices and prepare for the worst.
If your going to rebuild I would recommend buying a 350 use the crank from the 330 and build it right or go 455 depends what your after

Also does any one know if the #1 and 4 manifolds will work on the 64 88 for him.
They were on a 72 88or98 big car thanks for any help

jag1886

You have to machine the engine to put all those new parts in or am I missing something?

TripDeuces

If you're close by I can sell you mine out of my 66. I'm about to pull it soon. $400

Only thing that smokes are the tires.

88jetstar

I'm in the sf bay area, another reason why my resources are so limited, carburetor is a four letter word here

steverw

I had my block vatted, decked, bored, cam bearings installed, new Egge pistons, rods resized, crank turned, everything balanced, heads milled, valve job, gasget set, freeze plugs, Cloyes timing set all for $2400. Thats here in Texas, in Houston. I assembled the engine. Bought cam and components from Cutlassefi.

64Rocket

88jetstar,
I'm across the bay from you,(Union City) I have a 403 Olds on the stand pretty much ready to go. $500
PM me for info and my number.

Gene