Out of the box Edelbrock heads
January 14th, 2024, 09:37 AM
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He has the wrong spring, that’s a single.
They use the same outer spring in both the flat tappet and roller applications. Difference being they add an inner spring for the rollers.
Should these issues be addressed? ABSOLUTELY! Let me repeat that, ABSOLUTELY! But don’t you think Edelbrock should be given the chance to respond first? Not posting this all over the internet right away?
So here’s what torches my ***, AND makes things more difficult to get done;
“Hey Mr Edelbrock, will you do Cyl heads and intakes for us please? Oh and by the way, the very second something is wrong, I won’t contact you first, I’ll just spread it all over the web. But I still expect you to make **** for one of the most negative and ungrateful group of enthusiasts the hobby has ever seen”.
If this is going to be the reaction to a company that bent over backwards to redesign a head THEY DIDN’T NECESSARILY NEED TO REDESIGN, then I’m done. And I’m sure they will be too.
Some of you would bitch about a free lunch. I don’t get it.
They use the same outer spring in both the flat tappet and roller applications. Difference being they add an inner spring for the rollers.
Should these issues be addressed? ABSOLUTELY! Let me repeat that, ABSOLUTELY! But don’t you think Edelbrock should be given the chance to respond first? Not posting this all over the internet right away?
So here’s what torches my ***, AND makes things more difficult to get done;
“Hey Mr Edelbrock, will you do Cyl heads and intakes for us please? Oh and by the way, the very second something is wrong, I won’t contact you first, I’ll just spread it all over the web. But I still expect you to make **** for one of the most negative and ungrateful group of enthusiasts the hobby has ever seen”.
If this is going to be the reaction to a company that bent over backwards to redesign a head THEY DIDN’T NECESSARILY NEED TO REDESIGN, then I’m done. And I’m sure they will be too.
Some of you would bitch about a free lunch. I don’t get it.
Last edited by cutlassefi; January 14th, 2024 at 09:59 AM.
January 14th, 2024, 10:23 AM
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He has the wrong spring, that’s a single.
They use the same outer spring in both the flat tappet and roller applications. Difference being they add an inner spring for the rollers.
Should these issues be addressed? ABSOLUTELY! Let me repeat that, ABSOLUTELY! But don’t you think Edelbrock should be given the chance to respond first? Not posting this all over the internet right away?
So here’s what torches my ***, AND makes things more difficult to get done;
“Hey Mr Edelbrock, will you do Cyl heads and intakes for us please? Oh and by the way, the very second something is wrong, I won’t contact you first, I’ll just spread it all over the web. But I still expect you to make **** for one of the most negative and ungrateful group of enthusiasts the hobby has ever seen”.
If this is going to be the reaction to a company that bent over backwards to redesign a head THEY DIDN’T NECESSARILY NEED TO REDESIGN, then I’m done. And I’m sure they will be too.
Some of you would bitch about a free lunch. I don’t get it.
They use the same outer spring in both the flat tappet and roller applications. Difference being they add an inner spring for the rollers.
Should these issues be addressed? ABSOLUTELY! Let me repeat that, ABSOLUTELY! But don’t you think Edelbrock should be given the chance to respond first? Not posting this all over the internet right away?
So here’s what torches my ***, AND makes things more difficult to get done;
“Hey Mr Edelbrock, will you do Cyl heads and intakes for us please? Oh and by the way, the very second something is wrong, I won’t contact you first, I’ll just spread it all over the web. But I still expect you to make **** for one of the most negative and ungrateful group of enthusiasts the hobby has ever seen”.
If this is going to be the reaction to a company that bent over backwards to redesign a head THEY DIDN’T NECESSARILY NEED TO REDESIGN, then I’m done. And I’m sure they will be too.
Some of you would bitch about a free lunch. I don’t get it.
January 14th, 2024, 12:28 PM
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Quality control is great when it is proposed by the company executives…
but, if all you have are a uncaring and lazy work force at the end of the production line(or any step in between), your product will be crap.
Plain and simple, this is unfortunately the new world we live in, where quality workmanship is a surprise, and should no longer be an expectation.
We have to think of these products built by all of these companies as the “starter kit” of parts that will need work, finishing, and corrections before they can successfully be used. Forget what the funny books like by all publishers say, as they are sponsored-by and in business to sell people on their opinion of these parts.
I don’t know of many engine parts that are truly “bolt-on” at all. Everything from pushrods to rocker arms to pistons, to assembled heads should be thoroughly cleaned, torn down and verified/corrected. When a set of $2,000 AFR BBC heads has .009 seat runout and .002-.005 valve face runout, you know there are going to be problems with the performance.
but, if all you have are a uncaring and lazy work force at the end of the production line(or any step in between), your product will be crap.
Plain and simple, this is unfortunately the new world we live in, where quality workmanship is a surprise, and should no longer be an expectation.
We have to think of these products built by all of these companies as the “starter kit” of parts that will need work, finishing, and corrections before they can successfully be used. Forget what the funny books like by all publishers say, as they are sponsored-by and in business to sell people on their opinion of these parts.
I don’t know of many engine parts that are truly “bolt-on” at all. Everything from pushrods to rocker arms to pistons, to assembled heads should be thoroughly cleaned, torn down and verified/corrected. When a set of $2,000 AFR BBC heads has .009 seat runout and .002-.005 valve face runout, you know there are going to be problems with the performance.
January 14th, 2024, 02:04 PM
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As said, this needs to be reported to Edelbrock. Also how many heads were bought before this crappy one was found? As Dave mentioned the Procomp bare are nice but we know the assembled ones of those have issues as well. But they cost 1/2 as much, extra work is much less painful. Hopefully Edelbrock will tighten up quality control and this becomes a very rare occurrence.
January 14th, 2024, 02:17 PM
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As said, this needs to be reported to Edelbrock. Also how many heads were bought before this crappy one was found? As Dave mentioned the Procomp bare are nice but we know the assembled ones of those have issues as well. But they cost 1/2 as much, extra work is much less painful. Hopefully Edelbrock will tighten up quality control and this becomes a very rare occurrence.
and yes..he did blast that all over Facebook. It’s old news
January 14th, 2024, 03:29 PM
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Do you think EFI would do that?
January 14th, 2024, 03:31 PM
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He has the wrong spring, that’s a single.
They use the same outer spring in both the flat tappet and roller applications. Difference being they add an inner spring for the rollers.
Should these issues be addressed? ABSOLUTELY! Let me repeat that, ABSOLUTELY! But don’t you think Edelbrock should be given the chance to respond first? Not posting this all over the internet right away?
So here’s what torches my ***, AND makes things more difficult to get done;
“Hey Mr Edelbrock, will you do Cyl heads and intakes for us please? Oh and by the way, the very second something is wrong, I won’t contact you first, I’ll just spread it all over the web. But I still expect you to make **** for one of the most negative and ungrateful group of enthusiasts the hobby has ever seen”.
If this is going to be the reaction to a company that bent over backwards to redesign a head THEY DIDN’T NECESSARILY NEED TO REDESIGN, then I’m done. And I’m sure they will be too.
Some of you would bitch about a free lunch. I don’t get it.
They use the same outer spring in both the flat tappet and roller applications. Difference being they add an inner spring for the rollers.
Should these issues be addressed? ABSOLUTELY! Let me repeat that, ABSOLUTELY! But don’t you think Edelbrock should be given the chance to respond first? Not posting this all over the internet right away?
So here’s what torches my ***, AND makes things more difficult to get done;
“Hey Mr Edelbrock, will you do Cyl heads and intakes for us please? Oh and by the way, the very second something is wrong, I won’t contact you first, I’ll just spread it all over the web. But I still expect you to make **** for one of the most negative and ungrateful group of enthusiasts the hobby has ever seen”.
If this is going to be the reaction to a company that bent over backwards to redesign a head THEY DIDN’T NECESSARILY NEED TO REDESIGN, then I’m done. And I’m sure they will be too.
Some of you would bitch about a free lunch. I don’t get it.
January 14th, 2024, 04:12 PM
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For a bit over $2000 I'm satisfied with these heads. There is just not that much wrong with them that I can determine and they look good. My only thing is I want more data on the springs and Edelbrock is like a ton of other manufacturers, it takes hours or days to get thru by phone for correct technical support.
January 14th, 2024, 04:42 PM
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For a bit over $2000 I'm satisfied with these heads. There is just not that much wrong with them that I can determine and they look good. My only thing is I want more data on the springs and Edelbrock is like a ton of other manufacturers, it takes hours or days to get thru by phone for correct technical support.
January 14th, 2024, 05:09 PM
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For a bit over $2000 I'm satisfied with these heads. There is just not that much wrong with them that I can determine and they look good. My only thing is I want more data on the springs and Edelbrock is like a ton of other manufacturers, it takes hours or days to get thru by phone for correct technical support.
Best route is to test any springs that come on an assembled head to verify seat and open pressures, no matter what the manufacturer “says” they are.
Any decent shop should be able to check for seat pressure at installed height and open height.
I would personally test all 16 to make sure that they all check to be the same.
January 15th, 2024, 11:42 AM
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It would still be nice to know the percentage and types of issues. A less than ideal valve job and casting issues causing less than ideal flow numbers, BillK, are one thing. Something like improper machined seat pocket, Peyton Hunt, incorrect valve springs and say something like a substandard valve keeper are things that could destroy your $5000 short block. These, oh you shouldn't buy Edelbrock heads out of the box, are sounds of salesmen, oh salesmen! Remember they are selling, only their Edelbrock's will keep your engine safe.
January 17th, 2024, 03:28 PM
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As said, this needs to be reported to Edelbrock. Also how many heads were bought before this crappy one was found? As Dave mentioned the Procomp bare are nice but we know the assembled ones of those have issues as well. But they cost 1/2 as much, extra work is much less painful. Hopefully Edelbrock will tighten up quality control and this becomes a very rare occurrence.
Along with another GM brand Edelbrock head with the same issues, common ground is both brands were machined by the same subcontractor. You can not purchase Edelbrock Olds heads bare, period.
Last edited by TD2593; January 17th, 2024 at 03:32 PM.
January 17th, 2024, 05:25 PM
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Subcontractor, says a lot right there. I thought they were doing them in house. Bare Procomp heads it is. I not paying 4 grand Canadian for a set of heads. Yes, they would cost that by the time the experts go through them.
January 18th, 2024, 04:36 AM
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they ghosted me after that. Why? I’ve got bare Olds heads from them before..they also sold raw as cast Olds heads. So why not now? Makes no sense especially back two years ago when it would have made even more sense to sell me bare heads because of supply issues
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January 23rd, 2024, 07:52 PM
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Typical Olds heads thread. Look I have the greatest new Oldsmobile aluminum head. Next it is either hard to get or poorly made, or both. Many bashing threads on said heads. But don't worry the saviors of Oldsmobile will fix this awful mess. Wash, rinse, dry and repeat.
January 24th, 2024, 07:20 AM
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They should be a little more competitive in pricing if you have to do your own quality control, any Canadian going to be over 3 grand for a set of these heads, they should be ready to run at that price!
January 24th, 2024, 09:03 AM
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I’ll tell ya right now..speedmaster is eating Edelbrocks lunch on Olds heads. Last two bare sets for me have been speedmasters and will be ordering another set soon. A bare pair is $600.00 with free shipping within the U.S.
I drive across and pick them up no problem. I’m not gonna be forced to pay for crap components when I don’t need them.
January 24th, 2024, 09:56 AM
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Agree completely. Dale where are you finding the Speedmaster's for $600 US a pair? Only saw that price for Black Friday. Currently $496.50 each on Speedmaster's website.
January 24th, 2024, 11:57 AM
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connecting rods always seem to be on promotion
January 24th, 2024, 08:13 PM
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January 25th, 2024, 06:39 AM
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EVERY rod I got from Speedmaster was junk. The big ends were as much as .002 OVER the high, not .0002, but .002. And the big end widths were all over the place. If you want to spend the time to fix all that, more power to you.
And do me a favor if you would please. Don’t assume I don’t know what the fvck I’m doing. I’m a helluva lot smarter than you think, I guarantee it.
January 25th, 2024, 09:01 AM
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I deal in facts, not internet fairytales.
January 25th, 2024, 09:06 AM
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You’re right, stock rods are junk too. That’s why I use Molnar’s on the small blocks, and Scats on big blocks.
EVERY rod I got from Speedmaster was junk. The big ends were as much as .002 OVER the high, not .0002, but .002. And the big end widths were all over the place. If you want to spend the time to fix all that, more power to you.
And do me a favor if you would please. Don’t assume I don’t know what the fvck I’m doing. I’m a helluva lot smarter than you think, I guarantee it.
EVERY rod I got from Speedmaster was junk. The big ends were as much as .002 OVER the high, not .0002, but .002. And the big end widths were all over the place. If you want to spend the time to fix all that, more power to you.
And do me a favor if you would please. Don’t assume I don’t know what the fvck I’m doing. I’m a helluva lot smarter than you think, I guarantee it.
you post a vid of you measuring the rods and what you say you’ve found, and I’ll post one of me going through three sets of their rods showing you are full of bs.
You say you use Scat..both Scat and Speedmaster rods are forged in China by the same company. The finished machining is where they differ.
deal?
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January 25th, 2024, 09:34 AM
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Hey Mark…I’m having a problem with you guaranteeing me you are a helluva lot smarter than I think you are when you clearly have no idea where the MCSA is on the new redesigned E broks that you claim to have been part of redesigning.
infact, by the way you answered that question, you didn’t even know what MCSA meant.
do you know now and have you figured out where it is on the new heads?
infact, by the way you answered that question, you didn’t even know what MCSA meant.
do you know now and have you figured out where it is on the new heads?
January 25th, 2024, 10:03 AM
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January 25th, 2024, 04:35 PM
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February 13th, 2024, 03:35 PM
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Russell Hunt has a post n FB about them. He and Peyton are toying with the idea.
And I spoke with Edelbrock today about all the issues listed here.
They ARE machined CA. If anyone wants to argue that, you can schedule a tour. They'll show you how and where they're done. Plus I believe there's a video of that facility on Youtube.
https://youtu.be/yghWAb6Mo7w?si=QLyx8BJMgxshnRub
They now have a CNC Casting machine that took a Gen III Hemi head design for instance, from a drawing to a working piece in 32 days.
They ARE happy with the sales numbers, new castings are scheduled regularly throughout the year.
Dale, don't buy them then.
And I spoke with Edelbrock today about all the issues listed here.
They ARE machined CA. If anyone wants to argue that, you can schedule a tour. They'll show you how and where they're done. Plus I believe there's a video of that facility on Youtube.
https://youtu.be/yghWAb6Mo7w?si=QLyx8BJMgxshnRub
They now have a CNC Casting machine that took a Gen III Hemi head design for instance, from a drawing to a working piece in 32 days.
They ARE happy with the sales numbers, new castings are scheduled regularly throughout the year.
Dale, don't buy them then.
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February 13th, 2024, 05:14 PM
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Russell Hunt has a post n FB about them. He and Peyton are toying with the idea.
And I spoke with Edelbrock today about all the issues listed here.
They ARE machined CA. If anyone wants to argue that, you can schedule a tour. They'll show you how and where they're done. Plus I believe there's a video of that facility on Youtube.
They now have a CNC Casting machine that took a Gen III Hemi head design for instance, from a drawing to a working piece in 32 days.
They ARE happy with the sales numbers, new castings are scheduled regularly throughout the year.
Dale, don't buy them then.
And I spoke with Edelbrock today about all the issues listed here.
They ARE machined CA. If anyone wants to argue that, you can schedule a tour. They'll show you how and where they're done. Plus I believe there's a video of that facility on Youtube.
They now have a CNC Casting machine that took a Gen III Hemi head design for instance, from a drawing to a working piece in 32 days.
They ARE happy with the sales numbers, new castings are scheduled regularly throughout the year.
Dale, don't buy them then.
